- Michelle Obama offered advice for finding a serious relationship and making one last in her latest podcast.
- She advised getting off dating apps, saying: "You can't Tinder your way into a long-term relationship."
- Obama recommended spending time getting to know yourself first, then picking a partner as you'd pick a basketball team, i.e. looking for a strong all-rounder.
- It's also important not to quit when times are tough: "There were times that I wanted to push Barack out of the window," she said.
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In the eyes of many, Michelle and Barack Obama are relationship goals.
The former president and first lady of the US will next month be celebrating their 28th wedding anniversary, and Michelle recently shared some advice for making a relationship last.
Speaking with Conan O'Brien on "The Michelle Obama Podcast," the host said it's important not to rush the process of getting to know someone.
'You can't Tinder your way into a long-term relationship'
"People aren't perfect, marriage is hard, it's a struggle for everyone," she said.
"But the question you have to ask is: Do you want to spend this life with somebody? Do you want to build something with someone?
"There's no magic way to make that happen except the basics of finding somebody, being honest about wanting to be with them, to date them seriously, to plan on making a commitment to date them, seeing where it goes, and then making it happen.
"There's work and practice that goes into, 'I'm going to get off the apps, and I'm going to actually ask this girl out and I'm going to take her out for a few months. I'm going to invest in this other person and I'm going to see where that goes. And if it doesn't go anywhere, then OK we'll break up,' because that's what dating is.
"You can't Tinder your way into a long-term relationship."
Pick your partner like you'd pick a basketball team
Obama and O'Brien agreed that it's more common for men to take more time to feel ready for a serious relationship than women, but she thinks women should think about doing the same.
"A man's inclination to wait and to go out there and search and get himself ready, I think is a good instinct that more young women should think about," Obama said.
"Because you have to know who you are to know who you're looking for.
"If we approached a marriage and family like we, particularly men, would approach picking your basketball team, we'd have better marriages."
Obama said that when picking a winning team, you want everyone to be strong.
"You don't want any weak links, you don't want somebody that you can dominate, you don't want somebody who's kind of a loser," she said.
"If you're on a team, you've got to be able to do everything — especially in basketball, you would never pick somebody that says, 'I only dribble. I don't shoot, I don't defend, I just dribble.'
"If we look at marriage as a real team, then you want LeBron."
Don't give up when times are tough
"There were times that I wanted to push Barack out of the window," Obama said.
"And I say that because it's like, you've got to know the feelings will be intense. But that doesn't mean you quit. And these periods can last a long time. They can last years."
It doesn't mean your relationship is "broken" and you should give up when you face challenges, Obama advised young couples.
"I just want to say, look, if that breaks a marriage, then Barack and I have been broken off and on, throughout our marriage, but we have a very strong marriage," she said.
"And if I had given up on it, if I had walked away from it, in those tough times, then I would've missed all the beauty that was there as well."
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